SPEAR OF LONGINUS

Interview with Empire of Hate
[ http://empireofhate.altervista.org/ ]

This australian cult band, besides playing very intresting music has also a great interest about aryan esoterism, and as this is one of my main interests as well, I was very glad interviewing them, even if I have to desagree about something concerning politics (IN).

Greetings... you are soon going to release a new LP via Vinland Winds. Please start introducing our readers the new work. How will it sound like?

The vinland winds release is titled“ the yoga of national socialism”. unfortunately we ran into many problems with this one. We used a different studio than usuall and tried to do too much with the time we could afford. Fifteen songs in two days, and, as we all know what can go wrong with recording will, and it did. At the end we only managed to salvage ten of the fifteen trax we layed down.

We slowed down a bit on this one I think and let some of the older influences flow thru into this recording. Also we did some small expansion/experiment with the style. Hopefully trying to take things to the next octave………. My only gripe is that due to the hassles we had we ended up using equipment that I’m opposed to with the end result that it came out a little clean for my liking. But I really like the direction taken overall. Fuck it even took the sound wanka 3 months to get the dat to us, and that’s after he spent half the time asleep while we were tryng to record the shit !!!!!!! it was recorded on a big old 2 inch analog tape machine and put through a BIG desk. A good experience but probably won’t be repeated.

Your old albums had an extremely raw production. Will it look the same for the new one?

Unfortunately not on “tyons” but that was really beyond any control that we had. AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH the curse. Though we have recorded since that session and it is quite good I think, so that would probably be the next one after the yoga lp is out. In saying that though I think the sound for this one is ok and suites where things were going with that particular vein. Transcendental.

When I first heard "nazi occult metal" I found very weird the double use of singing, with a spoken voice and a screaming one. Why did you choose to record vocals in such a way?

That’s just what we wanted to do, what can I say ? I guess you could say it was an ns/okkult version of those great old crust/punk outfits that just tend to be too left/earth/liberal. Godless libertines that they be. It was commanded to be so. Naturally it is to be taken as a reflection of the WILL, I just love those ns/atlantean speeches too. The live ritual.

The australian scene musically seems to be quite interesting but ideologically does'nt seem to be very dvanced. What do you think about the musical scene of your country?

I have nothing whatsoever to do with any musik scene here at all now. None of these people now days have anything to say about anything unless they’re anarchists or punx or something. Then of course as you’d know they are a little too far out of balance to really work with. Metal heads just wanna escape and get pissed, act like big men as if they’re hard fukkers not to be messed with. A joke. They are not in control at all, just play actors. Victims of the ego. Really I think much of the musik is quite bland too. There are exceptions of course but mainly I like older aussie bands like persecution, spectral birth, sadistik execution, slaughter lord etc etc todays bands are too preoccupied with sounding like the 80’s or some kinda skills of a muscision or some crud. In short they are not honest. Sincere. Natural. Of course there is stuff like bestial warlust and naxzul etc etc which is quite fine, but really not my cup of tea.

I must say that I've really enjoyed browsing your website. But, in the background of the releases section (The black/white squares) I've noticed a symbolism that massons uses for the floor's bricks of their ritual buildings. This symbol is obliviously connected to the yin-yang meaning, but I would like to ask you what you think about the massonery now (Not by the political point of view, but only esoteric).

Thanx but as at the time of this interview the site still is not really officially up yet. Sure you can check it out if you like but we still have not managed to get any of the articles up, which is really what we are most interested in. I know from my own experience I can’t see the point in all these band sites that just have a couple of pictures an lp list with some pseudonyms and some general abuse toward everything whilst saying how desperately cool and superior they themselves are. ……Yes the mosaic tiling has much symbolism involved with it, but then so does most everything when you become aware and start working with the conciousness. Certainly masonry today is probably not what it really should be, though I do have a little knowledge here. Unfortunately a lot of masons do not really understand the full significence of the material/rites in which they are involved. But that’s the same with most any occult sect/cult/lodge/circle etc. masonry really is rich in symbolism and if you know what to look for and how to understand the ritual, it can really be of great benefit. Of course even if you just want to look at it from the social aspect it’s a great place just for meeting people with a relative interest base and intellect. Overall enlightening situation if you put the effort in. Of course depending on the calibre of the lodge and your own inertia will depend greatly on what you get out of it. Esotericly speaking you should study as much as possible the antient masonry before things were watered down for the generall publick, if you do this you will understand and know. I would have to say that like all religions, even though freemasonry is not a religion , contain aspects of the elder system from atlantean times and earlier thru to the present. No one system today contains what is necessary for the total revolution of conciousness especially in their exoterik forms , for example compare the sufis to everyday islamiks. So still you need the esoterik antient masonry, seek and you will find.

You seem to belive in the traditional theaching of the four ages. But if you think carefully at this matter, there would'nt need of any political or social fight because the present kali-yuga would finish by itself as soon as it must. So how to conseal your being national socialists with the "apoliteia" of this reasoning?

You must see that we are in this position precisely because of the entropy involved with the four ages concept. Man was much closer to the divine status earlier on in the ages, the golden age etc, as man descended further into the infernal material status following the course of least resistence and thus decay, you see all these sub groupings appearing. Kali yug is not the end of it all, it is not the great night of which is spoken, that follows the kali yug. Only another cycle of the ceaseless turning of the wheel of samsara. Depending of course on youre calculations as to when the great night occurs. But then we would have to go into the meanings of all the symbolism there. The real striving of the national socialist is truly beyond politiks in any case. Unfortunately, as I said man is devolving and our present societal structure is political in all it’s varying forms. Naturally the “national socialists” had to work with what was lying about, then slowly proceed with the great work in accordance with the law. The cosmik law of course. But if we were to delve in to this much deeper as should be done we will find the root of this course of devolution to the our present situation, being that of the the untermensch ,or, sleepwalker is precisely that of the EGO or as the bhuddists term it the psychik aggregates these foreign energy “impuritys” that inhibit the true being from conciousnes . Truly if we could get some of these articles up on the web site you could read much more on this stuff and in a greater detail. The answer to this question hinges on just what you’re perception of national socialism is, with all it’s symbol and allegory. We here follow esoterik ns. So these things work hand in hand for us. A complete system. Gnostik national socialism. There is even much more to this four age teaching , of which you mention . This concept is very rarely gone into with very much clarity or depth by any esoterorist. There are degrees and there are degrees. There are laws and there are laws. There are masters and there are masters.

As your new album is going to be called "the Yoga of national socialism" I would like to ask you how do you mean the Yoga. Don't you think that now that the structures of the traditional society are lost, it is probably the only way to achive the union with the Supernatural (Even more powerful then the Rite)?

I mean how ns is the , or, at least, a, link to the superior/divine. I mean the role it has played thus far in my esoterik work. My path upon the razors edge. My journey to NOUS. Yes a very great deal of the positive aspects of the humanoids is not functioning properly. I would not say lost as we can work on ourselves to re-establish our higher facultys ; thus the superman. Naturally this in itself will include many aspects such as the okkults of the orient as well as that of the occident. It is only hard work that will do this . True gong fu. Ritual work is of course an important aspect of what we talk here in regard to the “union” or “yoking”. We will carefully observe the workings of the SS here for example. But, the idea is to convert the whole life in it’s totality to the equivalent of the working ritual and, looking back to what was asked earlier, today this can only be done on any large scale if the state is involved. The gymnasium of life. Otherwise you end up with all these underground societies that are not necessarily working for the greater benefit, or don’t even know what they are talking about- further degeneration. But I have the feeling that you may be asking if it’s important to follow some kind of isolationist policy as regard the human individual ( the yogi ) and society ? of course man must reaquaint himself with the nature and the elementals……… but it is relatively easier to establish these yogik powers in a cave in a forest some place away from the negativity of the human animals than to utilise the WILL and work within the societal construct with all it’s distractions, and, of course you may not be doing the most benefit for you’re comrades of the struggle boxed up in some cave on top of a windy mountain with the evil dark forest below to keep you safe from the evil untermensch……… certainly periods like this are fine and necessary. But don’t forget the aspect of the sacrifice. It is through national socialist “ariosophy” that we here have made sense of this world, but more importantly it has led us to the tools which we must utilise to overcome.

Well, what I exactly meant is that in the ancient times rites had a very central role. Almost every social act was sealed by Gods in the rite. In the present degenerated society this looks quite impossible to realise. So maybe now the search for the atman in the microcosmos is even more important then the rite, because while once the cosmic laws were the base of society, and everybody could see them realised around him, now a Man can know the cosmic laws only looking in the Individual Essence. I've recently read a very funny article in a stupid christian magazine, stating that absolute traditionalists (To use a term very common in the first half of the past century to mean the let's say "pagan fascists" even if they would have never accepted this definition) would be "planted in the right-wing movement in the attempt to destroy christianity in the interest of the jewish and massonic lobbies" and that "they studies traditions having nothing in common with our nation"... How would you comment these words?

Sorry but you’re grammer is even worse than mine here. I’m not entirely sure I get the gist of what you mean . Are you saying the jews and masons were planting pagan facists into xtian movements to destroy them from within ? it does bring up some interesting scenarios dosent it. Certainly there are all kinds of conspiracy theorys out there some accurate some not so accurate. Sadly though that regardless of all this stuff and what group you belong to or philosophy you follow or what ever , it is the individuals defects that shine through and direct any given negative situation. This is why we must awaken the conciousness, the true being within. The atman. Awaken our atomik solar structure. Indeed be masters of our domain.

Well sorry, I guess that one day I will have to buy some english dictionary hehehe... I was quoting that christian article (I do not agree with it, of course) only as pretext to ask you what you think about christian “comrades” saying that comrades interested in studies about oriental cultures are not true national socialists because “indian spirituality has nothing to do with our nation”. This recalls by the way what we said about nationalism being a form of decadence.In the Baghavad-Gita is stated in the purest form for an Aryan tradition the teaching of the Holy War. If Arjuna would live, he would be a conqueror of the Ea rth. If he would die, he would have the Heaven. The modern countries where this concept is better developed are the islamic countries. What do you think about this form of spirituality?

All this stuff is symbolik. It is refering to the egos. If you do not kill the ego you stay earth bound to the wheel of samsara. If you kill the egos and reduce them to cosmik ash you liberate the self and gain access to the higher dimensions. One must die within oneself. Allegory and symbolism. Of course man is responsible for his actions too ………. On all planes levels and situations. This type of spirituality is supreme immaculate. War.

I agree with you. But I think that there can be two kinds of Holy War. The one that you recall, concerning the microcosmos (The small Jihad) but also the big Jihad, concerning the macrocosmos and being a real War in defense to cosmic laws against those who wants to profanate them. Have you ever read the books of De Giorgio, Guénon, Evola, Freda and the other so called absolute traditionalists? What do you think about them?

I have not read any works by these people. Though I have been meaning to read Evola for some time now. Actually I don’t read a great deal anymore once you’ve read so much it all becomes very repetative and one must become more “active” with the meditation and energy work etc. More practicle as opposed to a purely bookish culture where one only encounters contradictions and such. Know thyself. Live the ritual and practice the great work.

What do you think about drugs? I've personally read "to ride the Tiger" by Evola recently. In this book he condamns drugs in the modern use of them, but he specifies that they would be acceptable if used in some rites, with a proper period of spiritual purification before their use.

Camazotz does not use drugs. The “problem” with drugs is that you are dealing directly with the elementals. Energys generally speaking that are to potent for the frail human to command and contain, not to mention really assimilate to any profound level with. You can see this quite clearly with all the unbalanced individuals in society, burnt out shells etc. Sure you can work with the elementals but this is not the way to do it. So what would a proper period of “spiritual purification” be ? that is basikly the whole meaning of life …….. to be pure ……. To be the superman. If you use drugs to enter other dimensions be they superior or inferior you may well only attract further more powerful aggregates, further degeneration. This is the best I can do here unless I were to read “ to ride the tiger” by Evola to really get the gist of whats being said. All else is just a rough generalisation on my part.

I've read somewhere that your spirituality is also influenced by satanism? Please explain me better the point, as to my eyes I cannot see any connection between the aryan traditions and some semitic demons.

Satan is lucifer. Lucifer is light. TAT.SAT.TAN.PAZ. Satan is a misunderstood avatar just like Hitler. Satanism is a rebellion. So there lyes at least a minimal value for the one that will quest and see that there is much that is not quite right with our present situation, even if that’s only the first degree of the unfurlment. Don’t forget the degree system, when the student is ready , the teacher will appear. Unfortunately the intellectual animal mistakenly called man is extremely prone to dualism in its negative limiting aspect. We are dealing here with polaraties , yin and yang, SAT and TAN cosmik principles. You will find these principles in the indo-aryan systems, celtik etc. Semitik demons ? oh this is a very complex question my friend. Have you fallen prey to the greatest diversionery taktik of all time ? misinformation ……. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. At certain periods of history much that was correct has been malingned due to the powers that be not wanting it around thus things go underground and cloak themselves with various tekniques. Allegory and symbol. Eg hermetiks, the grail legends, templarism,pagan/witchcraft etc. pretty well any thing that is viewed as heretikill is getting close to , or at least closer to the real deal. Just look at the systems accepted version ( propaganda ) of the last great struggle for the world. Lies lies lies and more fukkin lies. Humans are perverse and make me sick. So this leads me to ask you sir if you believe Sumer to be Aryan or not ? there are jews and then there are jews, ja ?

As everybody knows, sumers were semitic. However, I will be looking forward for your articles concerning this topic on your website. Are you involved in any movement or politic activism?

Yes.

Nationalism is described by some writers as "the first decadence of the imperial aryan spirit in the modern world". Indeed the traditional politic views were'nt national but universal (Not to be confused with international). I've read somewhere that you called yourself a nationalist and so I would like to ask you how and why.

Hah hah hah exploiting a teknicality are we ?! yes most definitely I be an nationalist , har har my heartys , but yet I fully agree with you’re little quote up there. Just take a look at those inbreed’s over there in the good old US of A for a damn fine example. Of course we have our own here too, but although it sounds a contradiction ,national socialism is actually an as you say “universal” principal . In fact if the globe adopted an ns outlook (apart from the inbuilt problems of the ego’s which is very serious and the heart and soul of all dilemma) we would all be better of and live happily ever after. Amen. How could you be a national socialist without the nation bit ? NS is quite unique I think in that it combines both the material and the numinous in it’s “doctrine” . Of course ns could be applied in all kinds of degrees. Just take a look at modern day Israel a NS state if ever I saw one. The thing is though ns should not be applied to the detrament of a neighbour as this would cancel out the socialist aspect , in saying that it would be wise to clean up ones own backyard before looking to the external ( the self relisation free from foreign influence, the energetik ego/psychik aggregate ). Nationalism. Or esoterikally speaking the internal realm. Work on and improve the self and the society will thus evolve itself ( overcome, become the superman ). Nationalism also seems to imply an awareness and willingness to protect its constituency from external as well as internal foes, be they fifth column or not. Here too if you meditate you will see the esoterik war being waged. Really though, to really make much sense of all this you really have to be going into things esoterikly and profoundly. If we ever get those articles up on the web site you should find some information about all this as we need to go into things such as karma to really make much sense . Nationalism / yang , Socialism / ying , you see we have here a synthesis of the left and the right. The third way politicly speaking and the fourth way esoterikly speaking. Not left or right, not good or evil , but forwards , beyond dualism. This is the nationalism of which we sprake. I think you’re quote is of course describing the corrupted materialist interpretations which we are confronted with in this kali yug age of the materialist pigs. The literal dogma not the esoterik practice. Patriot. Self realize.

Well, I could never agree Israel being an NS state. It is not enought to be racialist and to be a state with a strong authorities to be NS. It concerns European spirit, and some jews would never feel this spirit. However, it is all for this time. Thank you for your time and best wishes for your band. Close it with your words. Hail to those who sings the Om and sacrifices to the Gods!

Conquer. Check out Vinlandwinds in usa for new LP etc. Check out DTM in Spain for the re-release material. Check out SOL website. Thankyou comeraden for the inter view it was good to get onto some interesting topiks for a change. Face the dawn. Von sol . Thunder / Nemesis .Sigil.

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